Germany vs France

strick3n
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Re: Germany vs France

Post#11 » Fri Feb 26, 2016 10:46 am

according to porn who discussed with tonks, it should have been us to pick from the 2 remaining maps after the drops

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Re: Germany vs France

Post#12 » Fri Feb 26, 2016 10:55 am

strick3n wrote:for the first point where i explain the fact for the map, that isn't a real big deal, but that flag capture, where u say u will only remove that flag from the score is complete bullshit,
score was tied at 0-0, and that flag forced us to change tactics which result in a complete different match afterwards


It's only your team's problem that you changed tactics.

Maybe instead of complaining you should try playing some practice clan wars with other teams, try to analyze how they play and adapt to this? Good luck in next matches!

strick3n
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Re: Germany vs France

Post#13 » Fri Feb 26, 2016 10:59 am

Flippi wrote:..you refer to what rule?

14.2. Best of 3: pick, pick, drop, drop, drop, drop, pick."

thats exactly how it happened


ok so we won the cointoss so let me go this straight:

Best of 3: WE pick, YOU pick, WE drop, YOU drop, WE drop, YOU drop, WE pick

but you actually picked the last map from the remaining ones.

but to be honest that doesn't bother me much, what really pisses me off is your lack of fairplay and lack of referee for that capture that changed to whole game

strick3n
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Re: Germany vs France

Post#14 » Fri Feb 26, 2016 11:01 am

dude have you ever played iCTF in your whole life ?
it's our team problem if we changed tactics, what is that for a reply?
nevermind, i'm out of this cup, don't know if my teammates will still play it, i'm not going to go further with this.
good luck germany, hope your lack of fairplay will get you to the title

bb

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Re: Germany vs France

Post#15 » Fri Feb 26, 2016 11:08 am

wow.. this is so dumb. first of all WE won the cointoss and let you start picking. we already stated that out with porn yesterday on discord. secondly, that last "WE PICK" doesnt matter at all cuz what map will u pick if only 1 is remaining.. it should be called "deciding map is now determined" that _everybody_ understands
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Re: Germany vs France

Post#16 » Fri Feb 26, 2016 11:13 am

so change the rules, its not coherent, how are you supposed to pick if there's only one map left ...

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Re: Germany vs France

Post#17 » Fri Feb 26, 2016 11:26 am

no team should be allowed to have privileges over the other Team. it is pick-pick-drop-drop-drop-drop and 1 remaining map that all have the same rights. you cant make it 100% fair tho since 1 Team has to start.. but if you ask me thats just a matter of Interpretation if picking firstmap is an Advantage or disadvantage.

Maybe this particular Phrase of the rule is not formulated very well with "pick", but it doesnt change anything about the fairness of its meaning. Tell me 1 reason why France Team should have more rights and pick the last map? we both picked a map and we both dropped 2, one remains. sounds fair to me. is it the first time u played a 1-2 or 2-1 at the Cup? why do you have Problems with it just now?
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Luukie
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Re: Germany vs France

Post#18 » Fri Feb 26, 2016 11:39 am

We played like that for long time already. These rules were here for much longer than OverFrag, as we reviewed ClanBase rules and adapted/updated them to use here. For so many years it was fine until Team France lost their match in deciding map, which was decided by BOTH teams. As Flippi said, it doesn't matter if you drop first or second. Each team still drops 2 maps.

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Chief/Daimonoz
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Re: Germany vs France

Post#19 » Fri Feb 26, 2016 11:46 am

so in the end it can be reduced down to two main situations:

1) whoever WON the cointoss DECIDES what map is beeing played by making the other team drop first or decides which map is definitly not going to be played (maybe the most favourite map of the enemy team) by dropping first.

2) coming from the actual pickorder, the team that ACUALLY PICKED the first map will also be the one to drop first and therefore NOT get the last drop (= "pick")

... it comes down to the same, doesnt it? if we take our situation we decided, that FRA picks the first map since we won cointoss and may do that. Therefore, the only way FRA would have been able to do the last drop and decide the last map wouldve been if GER started to drop first. And the only way to "force" GER to drop first would be to say: "Whoever WON the cointoss HAS TO drop the first map". Right now it looks like a "Cointoss winner decides" - Situation, both on picking and dropping. And aslong there is no rule that forces the initial cointoss-winner to start dropping, it's up to personal agreement basicly.

This brings me to the other part. There were absolutely no complains - not even "guys, is this correct? can we check the rules pls?" - until you have lost the map, also blaming it on a lag that wasn't there and couldn't even be seen on the stream. Since you didn't really care, even if (!) it was a rule break and not even the streamers/admins noticed (which wouldve been very odd and unlikely - which is why i dont think it was a rulebreak), by saying nothing you agreed on what was going on - again, personal agreement.(If i recall correctly, there was a situation last overfrag season with the icy-clan and some rulebreak. "not saying anything = agreeing" was something tonks (!) said if i recall correctly - correct me if im wrong) One might even go as far and think: what might have happened if you had actually won mkbase under said "no-admin-knows-rules"-circumstance? Wouldn't you have broken a rule yourself and made a profit by that? I think you wouldn't have cared at all!

So right now all you do is making a tool of yourself because you lost. We really enjoyed the game because you guys played differently than the other clans and were quite a challenge to be honest - especially on japs. It was a really good game. And even in we had lost it still was close, thrilling and exciting to play and watch. You also lost to BEL and NED so please dont make us the main reason why you finished the group phase like that.
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Re: Germany vs France

Post#20 » Fri Feb 26, 2016 12:25 pm

Little addition to my previous post (I couldn't edit because the lazy admins didn't accept my post fast enough and my edit-time ran out... THANKS LUUKIE! :D :D):

since we stay very theoretical here (but thats what you guys seem to like): before the dropping we decided on two main bans: Siberia and Push. So lets say we go first and ban Siberia. You would go ahead and ban push - this is very likely since it was your first ban to begin with. after that we wouldve discussed and said that shining isnt a good option against you guys because you play with a lot of (base-)defense. so we wouldve liked a more open/agressive map. so we wouldve banned shining. left wouldve been mkbase and crude - so situation 1) nothing wouldve changed since you banned crude before aswell, 2) we wouldve played crude - a map where we even won against NED. as far as i see it, there was no way of really improving for you even if we had first ban.
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